White Pride, White Privilege

Anonymous said:

in reference to the white pride remark…

due to the faults of a society an individual should be denied the chance to celebrate who they are and where they come from? true, much of our society has european roots. But because other cultures have been supressed doesn’t mean someone shouldnt continue to practice theirs. all should be allowed to thrive, as equals.

You say that it is not a struggle for a white person to be proud of their heritage, but it is; when we do so, we are branded racist. just like you don’t want to be stereotyped as a “noble savage”, we decent white people are tired of being lumped in with skinheads and klansmen.

It is not my fault that the new world was stolen from its original inhabitants hundreds of years before my birth.

It is not my fault that non europeans have been oppressed in this country.

It is not my fault that thre are more wealthy white people than other races.

I am not the powerful white elite. I am a person, like you.

My race doesn’t govern how i live my life. judging someone on the color of their skin, no matter what color it is, IS racism. I appreciate that you are being more respectful than other similar blogs, but i hope you can see just how hurtful you are being.

I think I need to lay some groundwork before I dig into what you’ve said.

1. Society is racist.

2. Brown, Black, Red (some Natives use this, don’t say it if you aren’t Native), Yellow (some Asians use this, don’t say it if you aren’t Asian) pride was and is a survival tool. It’s something that helps rally people to fight oppression, be a part of their culture, etc. White pride was not born out of that.

White pride came from people who were already on top and pissed that they had to free their slaves. Pissed that they had to give those people voting rights. Pissed that those people could go to the same schools, churches, restaurants, drink from the same fountains as them. Pissed that those people got a president elected. Those same people with white pride have done some fucking horrible things. They continue to do these things today, IN THE NAME OF WHITE PRIDE. Read through some of my entries and see the hate crimes against just Natives that have happened recently.

3. White pride, for most people brown or not, conjures up images of lynchings, beatings, white hoods, swastikas, fire hoses being turned on people, Confederate flags, sun down towns, etc. Don’t you ever forget that, because we can’t.

4. White people have white privilege. I don’t want to debate this. As a white person you are treated better by society. You are valued more than non-white people, no matter what you think. White privilege doesn’t mean that you’re rich (that would be class privilege, and people can have that regardless of color). It doesn’t mean that you’re able-bodied. It doesn’t mean that you’re racist. It just means that this society was created with how to keep you on top in mind.

5. Racism is institutional. And because it’s institutional, a white person cannot be a victim of racism. Brown people cannot be racist, because they are not in the institution’s position of power. They can be racially prejudiced, but that is not the same thing as racism.

Now, if you have any questions about the above, feel free to ask. I know some people don’t like to answer questions that they feel are elementary. I don’t mind. I feel like you are legitimately trying to understand, even if you disagree with me. If you come off Anonymous, I can talk to you privately about this. No judgments here.

Okay, so getting into what you wrote:

an individual should be denied the chance to celebrate who they are and where they come from?

You’re not from white. You can be proud of where you’re from all you want. No one is saying that’s racist or wrong. It’s wonderful! There is nothing racist about having pride in that. You can even be proud to be “American” (in quotes because I prefer to use USian), if you want! There are also lots of cultures that you are a part of that aren’t tied to a country that you can proud of. You can be proud to be an immigrant, or proud to be a part of a religious group, or not a part of a religion. You can be proud to have descended from a certain region. Or to be related to someone. Anything you can think of. White pride is not the same as any of that, even if you are proud to be Scottish or something.

Those are all cultures not rooted in the subjugation of brown people.


You say that it is not a struggle for a white person to be proud of their heritage, but it is; when we do so, we are branded racist. just like you don’t want to be stereotyped as a “noble savage”, we decent white people are tired of being lumped in with skinheads and klansmen.

It is a foolish “struggle”. White isn’t a heritage, unless you are fully ready and willing to accept that any idea of “white heritage” is too rooted in racism and hate. I’ve already said plenty of things about real cultures to be proud of.

Those two stereotypes you’ve mentioned are nothing alike. Are there thousands of movies about white people being racist, made for and by brown people, but only dozens (and that’s a wild exaggeration) made that show the truth? Because I know I can say that about Natives! We were fucking shown as savages, ANIMALS, in fucking thousands of movies. People still believe this shit to this day. People still fucking believe that we act like those movies. People still believe that we are just humanoid fucking animals, all because of our portrayal by white people in movies, television, books - both novels and “historical” literature, artwork. That is something that definitely can’t be said about white people and the stereotype that they’re all racist.

It is not my fault that the new world was stolen from its original inhabitants hundreds of years before my birth. It is not my fault that non europeans have been oppressed in this country. It is not my fault that thre are more wealthy white people than other races. I am not the powerful white elite. I am a person, like you.

It’s not “the new world”. It was there all along, mmkay? The world was not invented or discovered by whites. There have always been inhabitants wherever Europeans declared new land (with reasonable exceptions like Antarctica). I really hate that phrase, “the new world”.

You’re correct - It isn’t your fault. But, you benefit, whether you choose to believe it or not, from this unequal society that we live in, just because you are white. Also, I said this above - just because you are white doesn’t necessarily mean that you have class privilege.

My race doesn’t govern how i live my life. judging someone on the color of their skin, no matter what color it is, IS racism. I appreciate that you are being more respectful than other similar blogs, but i hope you can see just how hurtful you are being.

Race governs what is made easier for you. Race governs how I live. Race governs some of the setbacks I face.

I explained the difference between racism and racial prejudice already up there.

Please don’t dismiss other bloggers because of their anger. It’s a very triggering thing. I sometimes don’t want to talk about racism or deal with anything having to do with it, even in academic settings. On those days, I could see myself getting angry as well.

I understand that this may hurt your feelings, or that your feelings may have been hurt by this in the past. Think about that, and then realize when you go around asking non-white people why you can’t talk about your white pride, you are conjuring up very real things - racism, hate crimes, murder, beatings - that have happened in the past, in the name of white pride, and continue to happen today. It hurts my heart to hear someone who doesn’t understand how that could be very upsetting.

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